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Maj Christensen now we're talking!!
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Victoria Connell I can't see how they can continue to cover their asses over this. The truth needs to be told and people need to be held accountable. The whole world is watching us.
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Daniel Grant Wilks Old hoaxed report findings rehashed as new data. Yea the truth needst be told 911truth is a propaganda mill.
you started in 2003 and lied about controlled demolition.
Could not tell rustproofing paint chips from termite.
Could not read the statements that the dust could not be conclusively to either wtc 1 or 2. So go tell you made up lies for money. -
Vicki S. Nikolaidis Hmm, I don't see how they could have lied about controlled demolition when all you have to do is look at the videos from that day to see it happening before your eyes.
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Daniel Grant Wilks They did lit is obvious they had no clue what happened and decided to create multiple false and misleading conspiracy theories that are merely a false appeal to authority pseudoscience. I am awake from the beginning Ken and do not buy into empirical guesswork or conspiracy creation.
Nor will i suggest people buy into the outright lies and falsehoods of the 911truth movement.
You take footage and make an educated guess about what is happening it s your opinion and not factual information backed by physical evidence.
since 2004 the 911truth has put out woks of fiction as fact
Loose change - the biggest misinformation campaign ever devises via the use of quote mining, intentional deception and lies.
When you verify the information against physical evidence the whole lie of loose change falls apart.
The fact is the plane that wtc 1 and 2 had a fuel load of jet 4 and jet 4 burns at 6,300f added to office furniture you have a fire that can weaken the structure and it did.
The fraudulent thermite report much of which was plagiarized from USGS findings as their reports and majority of the photos come from USGS and already have been interpreted by a team of 35 scientist prior to the creation of false and misleading evidence by the 911truth syndicates.
Considering the fact that you have also aligned with the biggest media fear sell Alex Jones and this is all a distraction from the truth.
The truth goes all the way back to Roosevelt and it is NSC -68 and variants of the policy implemented by each administration preceding that on including the present one.
WTC7 is not caused by controlled demolition that is another fabrication when the collapse is viewed fully it toppled over toward the area of damage collapsing inward.
I am not debating armature researchers that intentionally misidentify physical evidence intentionally to create a false reality that never occurred.
The comparison of building fires is a sham as far as 911truthers are concerned.
It does not require creating a 1500 page book of data mined quoted with how to work them into a group's agenda that is what terrostorm was derived from. It is complete fiction.
The funny thing is the Houston organization was founded by Mark Waller whom is a chairman for the socialist green party that is the http://www.nazi.org/
Thus you have why knowledge about the party being used against the American executive branch in their agenda meetings.
This I have already seen at the black Labrador,pub and at the meetings the have at the public library.
I view theses groups like the worker's party meetings don in Germany in after ww1
fumy how Mark used the organization's database to dig up the anscestory of the bushs ect without looking up clinton or any democrat that has ties to the party in Germany. -
Daniel Grant Wilks Change begins with stopping the use of the policy that caused 91101. At least an attempt is being made to stop it.
From the fear and delusion created by the 911truthmovement medical community and . Drug makers will make billions treating their offspring for the illness they created. -
Daniel Grant Wilks ken anybody can make false claims and sensationalize on false reports since you never state your source or what the question asked was. Yo just quote someone out of context to fit your argument. Yes that is what is called creating a false testimony.
Sorry as I said i do not argue with amateurish investigators whom can't document their sources -
Dan Bland Ken doc is TOP NOTCH. I'm sorry Daniel but you're clueless. try doing some research.
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Daniel Grant Wilks Nope Gage used a preliminary report 2005 not the 2008 report so you never owned anyone. Nor did NIST say any of what you are stating it did
you are intentionally misquoting the NIST findings. By utilizing the preliminary 2005 report and third party misinterpretation it.
Nice false appeal to authority but your source is not NIST
The quote you just stated came from a 911truther site and not NIST. If it came from NIST it would actually have a page number associated with the quote..
Theremite did not exist in the buildings the Jones report is a fraud.
yep you owned yourself and lied
Jet 4 burns at 6,300 degrees since you misquoted NIST and lied you are not a reliable source of information nor is the 911truth or syndicates..
You just walked in and put your foot in your own mouth by repeating a script.
Now wonder your background is in media
The Jest fuel loads are already part of the
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/.../exhibits/prosecution.html also since you use the 911truth media sites as your script i see that that you are the one whom bought into their ideology not I
http://www.archives.gov/research/9-11-commission/ reliable information the 911comission's findings can be found ther
http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201.pdf If your sources are not from theses sources chances are you are the one being lied to and therefor you source of information is the disinformation agent.
check out on page 24 it states the exact oppisite of what you statement is.
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Daniel Grant Wilks Ken i don't argue with a liar especially one whom just was proven a idiot for calling me an idiot.
I have the data to back what I stated and the jet fuel load in the planes was jet 4 so all your claims are based on omitting that fact.
You tell me a lie from a 911truth site then back it with more lies. You r sources are not reliable no is anything you state as your preconceived facts.
I called you out and caught your lie NIST did not state what your claim is it does not concur with Richard Gage and all of theology in the world cant cover the fact that you are part of the media syndication and have interest in spreading the disinformation. -
Daniel Grant Wilks Ken from 1990-2002 they used jet 4 in domestic flights and still use it in small express flights.
The reason for that is the NIST findings from WTC 1 and WTC2 impact studies.
You are joking about bentham because they are a vanitypublsher that does not peer review anything. -
Daniel Grant Wilks It is called jet 4 jet b but is a form of jp4 and has the same qualities
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Daniel Grant Wilks I care about facts not opinions or empathetical ideology of amateurishness researchers creating conspiracy to make money.
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Dan Bland Daniel...debunk the fact that U-N-I-G-N-I-T-E-D nano thermite (high grade military grade) has been found in all dust samples analyzed. They've since ignited this microscopic material. I'll stop there.
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Fad Smashers Ken clearly won this one. Reading Daniels writing is like reading fucking legalese the guy can't even stay on point, and sandwiches bullshit between condescension, and always gravitates back to his snug little position amongst the herd with his appeals to the hegemonic authority. Stick to hollywood and the church.
That said, there are a lot of shills up in this movement, as a rule of thumb I for one don't entirely trust anyone profiting off it. Alex Jones and everything midas touches turns to shit. -
Jeff Prager Daniel Grant Wilks is a fucking moron or a US government disinfo agent. The whole fucking world knows this was a US/Israeli sophisticated staged military operation and the ONLY ones that DON'T know are Americans. The world is laughing at us. Try reading French, German, Swedish, Japanese or Italian media reports. Everyone knows but the dumbass propagandized and indoctrinated Americans.
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Jeff Prager JF Ranger, thanks for the link. The video speaks for itself and Basile speaks for all of us.
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Fad Smashers I will have to do more research into that last comment, "Basile speaks for all of us" because quite frankly I have a hard time trusting any of them.
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Jeff Prager Basile speaks for almost all of us. We know. The world knows. Only Americans don't know because we have the single most controlled media on the planet. Our media is worse then North Koreas. We're fed bullshit, 24/7.
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Fad Smashers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_AjdgvFrgw
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Laurel Burik Whose 'friend's this Wilks guy? He is very badly misinformed. As to the nanothermite vs. paint, Niels Harrit obtained the exact formula for the WTC paint and it was not a match. Not even close.
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Laurel Burik Well, whose friend is he? With friends like that...
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Laurel Burik I just checked his friends list and didn't recognize anyone. But a guy who works in security would stick with the OCT - it's good for business.
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Laurel Burik LOL, he probably wrote for the NIST or the 911 Commission.
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Laurel Burik Maybe he read that in one of his sci-fi fantasy novels
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Daniel Grant Wilks Actually this whole line of attack is a propaganda debate technique to distract from the truth.
Firs go look up someone's profile find a distraction to pick out an use it to create a smoke screen.
Wow you all are accomplished disinformation artist. You loose your augment and you replace truth with bullshit personal attacks.
This whole little routine of truthers If someone has information that proves us wrong he is a government agent or a shrill.
What utter bullshit
There are numerous idiotic claims. The number of claims is one of the reasons people get sucked in with the 9/11 myth. It also means that any 9/11 discussion is pretty much endless with nothing ever being resolved as the truther just brings up one claim after the next ignoring that each one is being debunked.
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David Ray Griffin's books present thousands of facts to support
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Griffin is a crackpot theologian who churns out books packed with many stupid claims regarding 9/11. Read Ryan Mackey's paper regarding Griffin. He takes it apart.
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demolition,government complicity and coverup.He also has good videos debunking the debunkers.
Architects and engineers for 911 truth have good presentations.
But for enlightened morons like you,you should probably start with the videos "911 Mysteriesemolitions" and "Loose Change".
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Loose change is riddled with errors and misrepresentations of the truth. Anyone wanting the facts should read the Loose Change Guide.
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Originally Posted by roscogre
Anyone who can believe the governments ever changing ridiculous stories
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Oh right because the truth movement never change their story. ....
Even now in 2010 they are unable to come up with a coherent theory... -
Laurel Burik Wilks, your argument about jet fuel shows you are either extremely uneducated or a shill. First and foremost, the jet fuel burned off in about 10 minutes. All it did was light some floors on fire. Any talk of jet fuel as a reason for the destruction of those buildings is pure BS. Secondly, it is Jet A fuel that is used in commercial jets, not JP4, which is a military grade fuel phased out in 1996. You are completely FOS and should just go away. Anyone who bothers to read your posts here can see you are either deranged or a useless shill. YOU'RE FIRED!!!
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Daniel Grant Wilks You and the rest of the group are quite obvious
extremely deceptive and obvious attempt at misinformation and obfuscation by you and the others from the start of the feed fed into by other fools whom repeat the same programmed pattern of disinformation.
another name calling moron who hasn't a leg to stand on when confronted with evidence.
show you spoon feed you because you are too stupid to find the most ubiquitous evidence on the subject?
What a moronic waste of time you are,take your nonsense to youtube,where someone might believe your nonsense or better yet run to your groups where you can make belive that there was thermite and DEW and all other altenitive fantasy consriacies.
i know what my source is and it much mor reliable than what you have shown me here. -
Laurel Burik Wilks, you can't even come up with a coherent sentence. Get lost.
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Laurel Burik http://mepetroleum.com/jet_fuel.htm
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Daniel Grant Wilks Ken You made a false quote of NIST then you called it science fiction.
And accepted a fraudulent report that was not peer reviewed
http://www.opednews.com/.../911-NanoTech-Thermite-Publ-by... You see their editor resigned after publishing the report for $800.00
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Daniel Grant Wilks JP-4 releases a very significant amount of heat. When it burns, temperatures of this fuel can reach up to 6,670°F.
http://www.ehow.com/how_5125712_weight-jet-fuel.ht
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http://www.ehow.com/facts_5125712_weight-jet-fuel.html... JP-4 releases a very significant amount of heat. When it burns, temperatures of this fuel can reach up to 6,670°F.
So all your silly claims just fell apart. -
Daniel Grant Wilks Ken it is you that need an education and to do the research Not others.
You make false claims and use the stupid propaganda tactics. Jim Feltzer teaches so you are the drone here -
JF Ranger ** Top 10 Connections Between NIST and Nanothermite **
http://world911truth.org/top-10-connections-between-nist.../ -
Daniel Grant Wilks She also was not talking about the correct Jet fuel grade either. Also Jet 4 is not exclusively used in military aircraft. Because of the events of 91101 new regulations were placed in 2002 that moved domestic wide body jets to jet a.
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Daniel Grant Wilks Nope I state the fact it was paid to be published and that it as never reviewed. And it is a hoax just as the other four papers were and only one of them were pulled.
You are the one dodging questions here of why the paper is an academic fraud.
They had no chain of handling on the dust samples and this leads to contamination.
The report states the dust samples cannot be conclusively linked to ether tower 1 or 2.
So assuming or creating a link between them is creating evidence that does not exist.
I have the report and it is a paid propaganda a price that negates any other source of contaminates in the dust.
Looking at Jet 4 and the and
http://speclab.cr.usgs.gov/PAPERS/wtc.asc.ch3/ I did the research and found the paper's source data.
the truth is they plagiarized and edited the USGS findings to fit whey were paid to find and was thermite -
Daniel Grant Wilks You comments about no person has been able to debunk thermite is a lie
It was debunked a long time ago as rust proofing paint that burns in an acetylene torch. Then claimed to be nanothermite.
which is bs
the sample was five years old and contaminated due to an uncontrolled chain of handling.
The USGS documented how they obtained their samples.
Also they did test the derbies another lie from you.
I guess you don't have a clue about Fresh kills land fill or Statan island landfill.
You also negate the caustic nature of the dust.
You failed to look into the fires in the subbasement B3-b6 that ran along the utility corridor
http://www.motorsportsartist.com/.../debunking-the.../ http://conspiracyscience.com/blog/category/september-11th/
this is why i was not surprised by your predictable patterns of a propaganda artist.
The structure of the microscopic structure of the chips (left) is very close to Karoline (paint primer) and it in fact is paint primer not thermite.
It was misidentified intentionally to mislead people. -
Daniel Grant Wilks USGS already identified it as paint primer and rust proofing paint. The paper debunked itself.
The laws of physics were never changed nor were the Implosive and explosive effects of a 1 ace structure that is 2,000 foot tall falling. -
Daniel Grant Wilks JF I would be impressed if you went outside the propaganda mills of the truth movement and got away from the empirical reasoning.
Jones investigates only the red and gray chips and not the entire sample. He has a limited sample size. The chips have a laminar nature which suggests a coating or adhesive but he rules out paint by comparing the effect of MEK on some unknown paint and comparing it to the effect on the red chips. This is either incompetence or scientific misconduct and fraud.
He sees that there is an organic fraction but does not analyze it. He uses DSC to measure exotherms but does it in a stream of air so he cannot tell the difference between a reaction and plain combustion of components but claims thermitic reaction. His EDAX shows silicon, aluminum, and oxygen in the same areas of the particle but he ignores this congruency; aluminosilicates are clays and are often fillers in paints and coatings. He does not extract a larger sample of the red and gray chips with a more agressive solvent, such as hot DMF or DMF-DMSO which would allow analysis of individual components.
His conclusion that this is a thermitic material is not justified based on the data.
I have reviewed the paper in depth. However, my colleges state that may be a waste of time as it is fatally flawed.
Iin my opinion from the data gathered estimate that the samples are a red oxide primer on corroded steel.
The research upon this fraud of a paper started in LSU as it was handed over to their head in structural engineering whom sent it out for review amongst the entire academic staff.
Also, it has been thoroughly reviewed by other qualified scientist as well whom have found unrecoverable flaws in the paper and its research methods.
Searching for differences between questioned and known samples is the basic thrust of forensic paint analysis and comparison. However, differences in appearance, layer sequence, size, shape, thickness, or some other physical or chemical feature can exist even in samples known to be from the same source.
Jones' chips show same variation in color and composition and structure. This is consistent with paint, according to the FBI standards.
Thermite, an engineered product, needs to be uniform in structure and composition to work.
The chips are, thus, in at least this aspect, more paint-like than thermite-like.
And it just occurred to me that we may be making an error in assuming that all red paint chips are structural steel coatings. Think metal furniture. -
Daniel Grant Wilks Actually ken you never owned me on any of your pointless defending of an indefensible lie based on nothing but 911truth perception of events. Not on physical evidence. Given this fact and the review of this little exchange my original statement has been proven by the actions of this group think and the propagandist tactics you utilized.
My interest may be science fiction. I know what Science fiction is involved and what publishing involves. You have to do good research on the science in science fiction to keep your audience from looking it as a b grade story.
Today's science fiction is tomorrows innovation in technology. Look at everything that cae fom St
The truth movement needs to focus on real facts to understand what happened and how to prevent repeats. The need to get away from theologians and get into real critical thinking and scientific reasoning.
It would not hurt you to take a criminal investigation course that deals with forensics to learn how to interpret some of the data you look at.
It is telling about the experience level or inexperience in your case because you had to run to my profile and pick out a couple of discretionary items to derail the conversation and to distract from your inexperience in researching ability or you were deliberately lying you were doing so to cover your ass with a smoke screen.
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Daniel Grant Wilks MSN and google have problems in doing research I will make a suggestion to go to https://ixquick.com/
you will find it to be a better cleaner research tool
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Daniel Grant Wilks Ken realize that Hoax creation is a method of getting people to look at the evenest that triggered a main failure in some instances it is not profit motivated.
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Vicki S. Nikolaidis Well respected and highly experienced structural engineers from all over the world have looked at the videos and agree with JF. White, Caucasians most of them if that is what is bothering you.
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Daniel Grant Wilks It goes to show the effect of propaganda tatics and not telling the full truth has on people. It was done by the worker's party in Germany the same way after ww1 .
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Vicki S. Nikolaidis Yes, the insult about Nazis is too much. The last refuge of the uninformed.
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Daniel Grant Wilks Ken you are full of shit
you would not know what Jim thinks because you never asked him
I am not going anywhere Ken. You are the waste of time here and your propagandist syndicates whom have no factual information to stand upon.
FETZERclaimsDEBUNK@yahoogroups.com
is where the debate on his viewpoints has been completed just as you finally debunked yourself so did he.
But he was honest about it. He stated why it was done and then like you backpedaled to cover his lies.
Ken you brought nothing to the table and left with what you brought. So don't go away mad just do your own independent research.
I sent you the source and jf edited it out
JP-4 releases a very significant amount of heat. When it burns, temperatures of this fuel can reach up to 6,670°F.
http://www.ehow.com/how_5125712_weight-jet-fuel.ht ...
http://www.ehow.com/facts_5125712_weight-jet-fuel.html... JP-4 releases a very significant amount of heat. When it burns, temperatures of this fuel can reach up to 6,670°F.
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Daniel Grant Wilks Propagandist edit post to manipulate public opinion and to keep to their agenda by censorship.
Jets by design direct the energy and heat of jet fuel through the engine combustion chamber and out the back. This is why afterburners have to be replaced also why the military went to Jet 7 and jet 8.
Go stomp off like a three year old Ken and when you are finished get back to doing some intelligent research until that point and tim don't bother using the propaganda debate tactics and JF you are doing the same crap you did before
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Daniel Grant Wilks I look under the Aircraft Fule manifest and under American airlines as well as united.
I Have the same reference as you do except you are not looking at the fuel manifest of the flights.
You are looking at general info.
Jet 4 was used in domestic flights it also is referred to as jet b
Also Wilkipedia is not the best source to goto.
i stick with the facts of what was there and what spectography backs up chemically.
I know because I went directly to the airlines and got the mainence records from the planes The FAA does not hide this stuff the companies have it you just have to have a security reason to look into it.
I leave speculation up to you.
that is what conspiracy creation is about.
Yep and you trace it back to sorce and it is from the fuel manufacture shell -
Daniel Grant Wilks Yep and your site is incorrect as to the refrence date it refers to after 2002 regulations.
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Daniel Grant Wilks no Ken I leave datamineing to you.
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Daniel Grant Wilks I already did and of course JF decided to manipulate the message feed again to make it appear you know what you are talking about.
I support Shell oil, Sun oil, and IAH and the material data sheets. Allso United airlines and American airline which provided the maintenance and fuel invoices for all the hijacked aircraft as part of the
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/.../exhibits/prosecution.html They also provided me with copies of the records as I work for airline security and work for the airport on federal contract.
You would first have to look at the use of jet 4 in commercial domestic flights prior to 2002 because wide body jets went to Jet a after 2002
that is because an areobus cannot use Jet 4 it burns too hot. Boings have a longer lifespan because they are built better any aircraft mechanic will tell you that. Also, the fact is USGS spetography already shows an exact chemical match to Jet 4
Of course you don't know anything about maintenance records or Flight Manifests that would require you to do your own research. If you knew anything you would be asking United airlines about the flights and American airlines, Then you would go to the FBI and request information as part of air safety and security reviews for the airport system.
But you Ken do not have the security clearance to obtain SSI data from airlines or request data of investigations dealing with 91101.
No I don't com in here as part of my job. You simply have no clue about the aircraft and make generalizations. Other wise you would not have jumped into the firs link you came to which is Wikipedia.
You went into not knowing what to look for.
So you could not find it.
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Daniel Grant Wilks Ken you are a joke as a researcher. You don't have a clue about what you are talking about so you go to Wikipedia and ignore the material data sheet also the fact that you can't convert BTU to F.
Yes you go to the silly distractions but not to any of the factual data.
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Daniel Grant Wilks This is just a very good reason why the 911 truth movement debunks itself. Actually i do Ken it is you whom continue to make yourself look like an idiot.
Stick to ---- and leave science to the pros. Take your on advice Ken You are out of your league with the childish attempts at trying to back your indefensible claims.
You have no clue about science or the USGS findings let alone how to interpret them. You already have shown that fact.
Jet B and jet 4 are the same fuel. Yes. since 2002 no domestic flight has used jet fuel 4. Now Jet fuel 4 is different than JP4 military military grade fuel.
P&W PW4000-94
GE CF6-80C2
RR RB211-524H
All of those jets are designed to use jet 4 so again you make a statement and have no clue about the specifications of the aircraft in 2001 and what the fuel loads were.
Wilkipedia has it wrong again as normal that is why scientist don't quote it because it is not APA accepted in academia or in universities.
I love how you can't go look up the basic data but smoke screen instead.
JP-4, or JP4 (for "Jet Propellant") was a jet fuel, specified in 1951 by the U.S. government (MIL-DTL-5624). It was a 50-50 kerosene-gasoline blend. It has lower flash point than JP-1, but was preferred because of its greater availability. It was the primary U.S. Air Force jet fuel between 1951 and 1995. Its NATO code is F-40. It is also known as avtag.
JP-4 is a mixture of aliphatic and aromatic hydrocarbons. It is a flammable transparent liquid with clear or straw color, and a kerosene-like smell. It evaporates easily and floats on water. Although it has a low flash point (0 °F (−18 °C)), if a lit match is dropped into JP-4, ignition does not occur. JP-4 freezes at −76 °F (−60 °C), and its maximum burning temperature is 6,670 °F (3,688 °C).
Commercial aviation uses a similar mixture under the name Jet-B.
JP-4 in addition contains corrosion inhibitors and icing inhibitors
JP-4 is a nonconductive liquid, prone to build up static electricity when being moved through pipes and tanks. As it is volatile and has a low flash point, the static discharge may cause a fire. Since the mid 1980s, an antistatic agent was added to the fuel to lower the charge buildup and decrease the corresponding risk of fires. Flow rates must be controlled, and all the equipment used must be electrically interconnected and well grounded.
The desire for a less flammable, less hazardous fuel led the U.S. Air Force to phase out JP-4 in favor of JP-8; the transition was completed by the fall of 1996.
Yes omit the fact that it is also called jet B Ken and on top of that make yourself look like a fool
Make a comments about someone's background and education with no knowledge of the individual. Ken I stopped doing that in grade school.
This is what Wilkipedia stated and is the primary reason for grounding of aviation fuel trucks
I expect JF to edit out this data so I will copy it and await his editing and your comment so I can repost it when you are online. -
Daniel Grant Wilks Of course the links about my security background are not of any use to you that is by design to trap propagandist whom choose to run to personal attacks to distract from their ignorance in the subject matter.
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Daniel Grant Wilks ken its maximum burning temperature is 6,670 sorry you lost your argument. Time to move on and stop selling lies. Yes you are an amateur researcher and this entire exchange proves it with out a doubt
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Daniel Grant Wilks They did lit is obvious they had no clue what happened and decided to create multiple false and misleading conspiracy theories that are merely a false appeal to authority pseudoscience"
Then why are you citing NIST?
Because ken it is not pseudoscience regardless of what 911truther sites say it is scientifically sound.
911truth sites are bias and not a source of any real information or reports that change the physical evidence.
It is basic evaluation of internet sources.
Avoiding sites that offer information in order to sell an agenda or has conflicts of interests (political or personal) , bias,one sidedness, emotional language, and slanted tones is a key to avoiding propaganda websites. Also if the site has unverifiable statistics or claims not supported by physical evidence of an incident or lacks any dates, sources, or lacks any references to whom the author/photographer is , what, where, when photo/artical was taken/obtained and how it relates to the incident. Then it is not a creditable information source.
Why are you linking to the Moussaoui case?
try doing your own research and you will figure that out all of the data there is verifiable and the flight manifest and Maintenance records records 48 hrs prior are there including the fuel loads is there. -
Daniel Grant Wilks Ken
You took this information!
""Oxy acetylene welding is used to cut steel or weld iron, and can produce a flame as hot as 6300 degrees Fahrenheit."
I tried to pull it off as JET FUEL!
Now go back and try again!
Ken nice try at distraction from facts but you lost this exchange.
You made yourself look like a fool by misrepresenting the facts. Jet fuel and welding are two separate things. However I am telling this to someone whom used a video claiming steel cut by iron workers using plasma cutting torches on steel beams was proof of thermite. -
Daniel Grant Wilks Yes ken and I already have recorded the entire exchange on a separate blog jf cannot edit
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Daniel Grant Wilks Ken you are the king at typing half time and wasting time with you. We are using the same sources you are omitting facts that do not support your position. Now you have admitted that Jet 4/jet b burns at a temperature that is greater than 6,000 F
which is sufficient to cause Structural damage in WTc 1 and 2
thus no controlled demolition an NIST was correct and you lost your argument. So move on.
Now you admitted to your half typing and hypocritical lies you comment on welding torches is the illustration there. Your further comments on Science fiction writing, working in security all part of your smoke screen to keep people from going to the aircraft manufacture and looking up the specifications of aircraft and the fuel types they use.
Of course the links about my security background are not of any use to you. That is by design to trap any propagandist whom choose to run to personal attacks to distract from their ignorance in the subject matter.
All of theses sources prove your claim jet fuel burns cooler that 1500 degrees incorrect and misleading. To quote you " Do you even know what you are typing half the time? It's Hypocritical lies!"
Yea it is what the 911truth movement does all the time. That is why in the scientific research community it lacks any creditability.
1. ^ Chevron Products Corporation - This is a dead link, update me please -. "Aviation Turbine Fuel Composition". http://www.chevron.com/.../aviationfuel/4_at_fuel_comp.shtm .
2. ^ U.S. DOT. "U.S. Department of Transportation 2008 Emergency Response Guide (ERG)". http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/saf.../3/erg-gmu/erg/idindex.aspx... .
3. ^ Energy Information Administration. "U.S. Prime Supplier Sales Volumes of Petroleum Products". http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/.../pet/pet_cons_prim_dcu_nus_a.htm .
4. ^ http://www.csgnetwork.com/jetfuel.html 5. ^ http://www.csgnetwork.com/jetfuel.html
6. ^ Turbine Fuel, Aviation Kerosine Type, Jet A-1. Ministry of Defence (UK) Standard 91-91, Issue 6, 2008-08-25.
7. ^ Standard Specification for Aviation Turbine Fuels, ASTM D1655-09a (2010). ASTM International, West Conshohocken, Pennsylvania, USA.
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Daniel Grant Wilks Ken you debunked your own statements about NIST and the crappy youtube propaganda you spout. "You only see what you want to see!" more half typing from you where is your proof empirical evidence a psychic down the street.
Your hopeless! If it's 6670 df, why did you state 6300df? Yep ken you are totally a waste of time. NIST reports prove correct why because the fuel load burned at a temperature hot enough to damage the steel in WTC 1 and 2. And the quote mining that you never sourced as to when and what time it was taken and the location in which WTC tower is half typing.
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Daniel Grant Wilks Hen you really don't have a clue about the structural components in WTC 1 or WTC 2. What is amazing here is the level of your making yourself look like an idiot. The towers were designed to withstand an impact from an aircraft and buy occupants time to escape. In wtc south reports of floor and structural failure came from persons above the impact area.
And in wtc 1 there were no survivors above the impact area and multiple reports of floor failure and structural failure.
In each tower the fires did reach temperatures hot enough to damage structural steel of wtc 1 and 2. Underwriters laboratory does not certify structural steel and never certified any of the wtc steel.
WTC south had stairways that were intact and used to evacuate persons from above the impact floors until the fire and structural collapse of the stairwells at the impact floors began.
Ken in this case you fail again to take into the effect what optimal burning means it means in a pure oxygen environment.
The reason I stated 6,300 is you have to account for humidity and weather conditions the interior fires peaked at 5,000 around the main body of the jet and dropped off to close to 2,000.
Now what I look at is the fire spread and progression in each tower from point of impact .
15% of the fuel went up in the fireball in wtc south This leave quite a good amount to act as an accelerant to secondary fires. now most of this was burned in about 50-60 min producing temperatures hot enough to cause structural damage sufficient to cause collapse.
Ken if it would have sustained optimal burning environment yes but an closed office space below the point of impact or above it is not the optimal space it reaches optimal temperature and then snuffs and latent heat reignights secondary source that reignites the unburnt fuel -
JF Ranger STOP. REWIND. BACK TO BASICS. A more important question to Daniel would be... can jet fuel at the 70th +/- floor create pools of molten iron at the basement levels (or at any floor for that matter)? Spoiler alert! It can't. Debunked.
LINK: U.S. Government lied about molten steel found at Ground Zero after 9/11
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Baja Caribe Gee. Think they came from Bush Family's Controlled Demolition, Incorporated ? Little Israeli markings on the explosives ? Made in the U.S.A. ?
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Daniel Grant Wilks I do not bother with politically motivated hoaxes that are nothing mor than socialist green party funded attacks.
You spliced video is propaganda that takes NYFD tapes of rally points and puts them together with false CNN reporting.
This is just like the channel 8 news van being reported as a FBI van by alex jones. and Proson planet.
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Daniel Grant Wilks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5zrWSeJCVI
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Daniel Grant Wilks Nope it is not classified if it was it would not be on the news prior to 9-11-01 and that is more of the socialist green party using this as a political attack.
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Daniel Grant Wilks NSC-68 started with FDR and has been utilized in American Foreign policy in different forms until present. I would cast a vote for Ron Paul if I felt he was serious about getting things changed in this policy.
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Daniel Grant Wilks Ken it is easer to create a false reality that fits your world than the real word that is based in physical evidence not some empirical lie.
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Daniel Grant Wilks Yea say American socialist green party and you go bananas Ken Yea there is money in hoax creation and misleading people. I have the NYPD dispatch tapes and you don't have a time stamp on your data I do. I can go back find out your propagandist edite...See More
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Daniel Grant Wilks The message has been discredited by the one acting as a messenger because it comes from an non-creditable source. FOX, CNN news media selling fear and you buying into it. I look at the actual things going on not misreporting by media fear tactics
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Daniel Grant Wilks Ken try finding Anti-oboma rally in Houston tx 20 arrested in protest.
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Daniel Grant Wilks The New York Post did a follow up article on the 3 Israelis that were detained by Al Guart where the underlined section presented here shows that the van with the mural was also a moving company -
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Daniel Grant Wilks MovingScam.com blacklisted the company, whose website no longer exists: www.urbanmoving.com
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Daniel Grant Wilks Incidentally, the bills for rent in Florida of the men thrown out of the country turned out to be an Israeli spy ring later exposed for surveillance of middle-eastern men all across the country before and after 9/11. Mossad was kicked out of Florida ...See More
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Daniel Grant Wilks The bottom line is the assumption made by the press is the were Israeli
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Daniel Grant Wilks Ken it shows the manipulation of facts. They were not agents of Mossad. They were caught in the paranoia and the moving truck was not laden with explosives. It may have residue from something moved in it and that is omitted by the .
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Daniel Grant Wilks No what it does is makes you read the full story not cherry pick what is supporting this hoax creation.
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Daniel Grant Wilks You can see the bias and the
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Daniel Grant Wilks It's called foreknowledge!
No it is called assumption of such.
It was never proven so they found another way to get them out of the country because the wrongfully accused them
The Mossad connection is unproven! correct
I guess you are saying the director of security of AGI whom warned about the WTC trade towers vounerablities to attack via plane bomb knew about the threat.
We all knew it was a plausible attack scenario and it had been discussed to restrict the airspace around the towers due to the concerns.
Try a little honest research into the plausible explanation and then the Israeli papers make sense. They took a photo and were supposedly smiling for the camera and the tower got hit. They are gesturing at the towers and look like they are celebrating from across the street.
So we have reports based on assumptions and hearsay.
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Daniel Grant Wilks No ken it is not new it is half truths and half typing on your part.
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Daniel Grant Wilks funny how I can go outside of FOX find the data and you still make a false claim about it being classified.
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Daniel Grant Wilks Ken I deny the use of the events of 91101 to further POLITICAL AGENDAS socialist green party under the guise of 911truth creating false an misleading links through use of theology and ought right lies.
I deny your theology and use of theology in regards to lacking any sources or references that are creditable outside of religious or theology circles.
the 911truth movement stands as a hoax
1. An act intended to deceive or trick.
2. Something that has been established or accepted by fraudulent means.
Meaning that falling into this smoke screen you create is not the reason of 911o1 nor is there any real connection between 91101 and Israel
Gee you couldn't do it with science so you try with religion and theology.
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Daniel Grant Wilks so it is from your supporters the socialist green party
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Daniel Grant Wilks You see knowing how to recognize the 911truth movement as a propaganda and hoax creation is key to having knowledge over you ken * Ad hominem
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Daniel Grant Wilks * Disinformation
The creation or deletion of information from public records, in the purpose of making a false record of an event or the actions of a person or organization, including outright forgery of photographs, motion pictures, broadcasts, and sound recordings as well as printed documents. All of your youtube links are the illustration of this on Ken
http://www.reference.com/browse/propaganda a readership of 3,000 looks at this message feed and calls you out and the 911truth as propagandist so here is the death nell to your propaganda.
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Daniel Grant Wilks I am very qualified to talk about it but not playing into your propaganda or use of religion or theology to distract from real research.
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Daniel Grant Wilks Ken get over the editing of a discussion to sway public opinion and out right lies of 911truth You use the "Big Lie" in a lot of what you post about Israel and involvement in 91101 terror attacks
http://www.adl.org/anti_semitism/9-11conspiracytheories.pdf It is you and the other followers of the 911truth movement that have proven to be undereducated about the events and only able to parrot off propaganda
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Daniel Grant Wilks I choose to use to evaluate the quality and validity of Internet Resources and in your case you have no established Creditability or ability to place a time date stamp on the reports that happened prior to 91101 and have no connection to it unless you create one.
We know the truth about the White Supremacist and extremist within the 911truth movement. We see the Socialist Green party members influence in the organizational meetings . Ken it is called propaganda and the ADL knew about it back in 2002 when the American Nazi party started using white supremacist and the new American Socialist green party to push the propaganda. -
Daniel Grant Wilks You propaganda is clear you have no proof that Israel was involved in 91101 and you manufacture connections where there are none.
and on top of that try to feign the victim propaganda tacit to gain emotional support from sympathetic ear.
You cannot sit back and rewrite history to fit your agenda.
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Daniel Grant Wilks Even the youtube link is out of context you use in this case the truth is that the 911truth movement is funded by thee American socialist green party. You are so blind you don't check whom is funding and organizing the whole syndicated media and move...See More
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Daniel Grant Wilks Why don't you Ken The BBC artical proves you are lying about the false flag operation and so does the NSA documentation.
To quote the BBC
"Mr Hounam claims secret elements within the US and Israeli governments colluded to bomb the ship and blame the attack on Egypt and their superpower ally, the Soviet Union, triggering massive retaliation which would ensure Israeli victory.
"The attack on the Liberty was pre-planned, perhaps from at least a year beforehand," Mr Hounam says.
"The Liberty was sent into a very dangerous situation, where it was, in my view, placed in a position to be attacked."
Mr Hounam says the intention was to sink the ship and kill everyone on board, but as the Liberty remained afloat the plan was aborted and has been hushed up ever since."
your source for you assertion is an author writing historical fiction.
It is a view with which historian Michael B Oren, a senior fellow at the Shalem Center, a Jerusalem academic research institute, concurs.
"Many thousands of documents related to the Liberty have been declassified and in none of these documents will you find a scintilla of evidence to suggest any of these conspiracy theories are true," he says.
Why would the Israelis try to cover up one atrocity by committing another
Michael B Oren
Historian
"The Golan one is the easiest to disprove because of where the Liberty was, not off the coast of Israel, but Egypt. Its listening devices weren't that powerful that they could listen in on communications in Tel Aviv.
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Daniel Grant Wilks So there was no conspiracy or false flag just falsification and creation of such through empirical evidence creation and writing historical fiction in place of historical fact.
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Daniel Grant Wilks as to me being an agent ect no ken you have never proven that by any means
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Daniel Grant Wilks Nope the survivors provide a lot more information about the attack.
In all honesty It was to stop them from finding evidence of the whole Egyptian detainee liqudation.
The fact that the ship was not called the USS. Liberty until after the attack and its relaunch is a big thing here you do not mention. You also don't mention the surveillance ship runs under no markings or anything to identify it as a united states vessel.
The message is clear that isrial attacked the ship and then realized it made a mistake.
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Daniel Grant Wilks I stopped going to 911truth websites for the same reason Ken They fail the simple evaluation of internet resources.
http://www.ussliberty.org/findings.htm try this on for saying there was never an congressional hearing.
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Daniel Grant Wilks Ken wrote:
"Try reading your own link!"
I did and you did not it is an independent study
Now where is your link to 91101 there is none. The incidences are separate and do not support the distorted media reporting of the moving company employees.
"I AM NOW BLOCKING YOU!!!!!
BYE DANIEL!"
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Daniel Grant Wilks Ken the 911 truth movement is fabricating about the whole false flag Israel connection thing The research proves there are no coonections
It futher more proves the USS liberty named after the attack was not marked or flagged as a United States vessel.
The fact The United states flag went up after the Jets attacked and as the torpedo boats were approaching.
To boot nothing was proven in a court of law about the connections between the Israelis and 91101
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Dancing_Israelis There are others whom have provided me with a fulll copy of the feed after you blocked me. You are an agent of deception and propaganda. That is why you ran
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Daniel Grant Wilks http://phantasypublishing.blogspot.com/.../911truther...
Phantasypublishing: 911truther hoaxes still exploiting the United States Terrorist attack...
phantasypublishing.blogspot.com
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Daniel Grant Wilks Jim Millette's Dust Study: Introduction and Methods
Progress Report of Results: MVA9119
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Daniel Grant Wilks http://www.millette911.com/
James Millette, PhD's research on 9/11, WTC dust
James Millette, PhD's research on 9/11, studying the dust of the World Trade Center
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Daniel Grant Wilks The red/gray chips found in the WTC dust at four sites in New York City are consistent with a carbon steel coated with an epoxy resin that contains primarily iron oxide and kaolin clay pigments.
There is no evidence of individual elemental aluminum particles of any size in the red/gray chips, therefore the red layer of the red/gray chips is not thermite or nano-thermite.
Notes on the Source of the Red/Gray Chips
At the time of this progress report, the identity of the product from which the red/gray chips were generated has not been determined. The composition of the red/gray chips found in this study (epoxy resin with iron oxide and kaolin pigments) does not match the formula for the primer paint used on iron column members in the World Trade Center towers (Table 1).16 Although both the red/gray chips and the primer paint contain iron oxide pigment particles, the primer is an alkyd-based resin with zinc yellow (zinc chromate) and diatomaceous silica along with some other proprietary (Tnemec ) pigments. No diatoms were found during the analysis of the red/gray chips. Some
small EDS peaks of zinc and chromium were detected in some samples but the amount detected was inconsistent with the 20% level of zinc chromate in the primer formula.
Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS) contain some information about product materials. According to the MSDS currently listed on the Tnemec website,17 55 out of the 177 different Tnemec coating products contain one or two of the three major components in the red layer: epoxy resin, iron oxide and/or kaolin (aluminum silicate) pigments. However, none of the 177 different coatings are a match for the red layer coating found in this study.LiveJournal Tags: 911truth fraud
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