153652 S10/Paranormal Issues 14-Oct-88 04:14:38

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#: 153652 S10/Paranormal Issues

    14-Oct-88  04:14:38

Sb: #Lear/Cooper

Fm: Michael Rugg 70511,17

To: Jim Speiser

Jim... I have been following the threads on Paranet Alpha and was particularly

interested in the comments by John Lear and Bill Cooper, both claiming to have

"inside Information" on the coverup. Lear is of course well known for his

controversial theories, and Cooper had begun adding additional info. including

a warning about the new Project Blue Book! These threads became rife with

epithets and name-calling, yet Lear & Cooper seemed to hold up under the

pressure. Next thing I see is that Cooper has been kicked off... is there any

chance that you could share any details on why you consider him a liar? I must

confess he had me fooled, and Lear said he had almost forsaken Paranet entirely

due to constant derision by skeptics until the corroborating remarks of Cooper

appeared on the board! I'm all for truth as you are, and I'm also for freedom

of speech where honest research and hypotheses are concerned. I know you're

swamped with input etc.and just hope you can clear this up a bit. Any further

details would be greatly appreciated.

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#: 153705 S10/Paranormal Issues

    14-Oct-88  12:59:09

Sb: #153652-Lear/Cooper

Fm: Sysop Jim Speiser 72135,424

To: Michael Rugg 70511,17

Michael:

As you know, I had posted a general notice on ParaNet Alpha to the effect that

anyone knowingly posting false or misleading information regarding government

involvement in UFO investigation, or any other paranormal field, would be given

the boot. I've done it before, and I'll continue to do it. I didn't want anyone

to get the impression that I was singling out Cooper. I ixnayed a guy named

Lemming for the same thing over a year ago.

Before he began his public posting of controversial files, Cooper had been

privately sending me files containing much the same information -- names of

black projects and their stated goals. Some of those project names we had heard

before: MJ-12, Aquarius, Sigma, Snowbird, etc. Some were new: Plato, Excalibur,

etc. I was told to forward the information to researcher Stan Friedman for

verification, which I did. I also made it available to several other sources

whom I knew to have very high security clearances within the intelligence

community, and who counted themselves UFO believers. I believed Cooper's

information was 90% regurgitation of what was known publicly, and 10%

embellishment, some of which was inspired by Lear's information, some inspired

by information from another bogus "insider" named Jeff Felix. Stan Friedman was

unable to substantiate any of Cooper's claims, and my intelligence sources

actually had a good laugh over it. These sources will remain anonymous, despite

any protests from Cooper. He has accused the government in complicity with an

alien takeover plot, and refuses to name his sources; two can play that game.

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#: 153706 S10/Paranormal Issues

    14-Oct-88  12:59:53

Sb: #153652-Lear/Cooper

Fm: Sysop Jim Speiser 72135,424

To: Michael Rugg 70511,17

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The reason I did not take the same action with John Lear is this: John has

continually stated that his information is nothing more than an hypothesis,

based on information from "confidential informants" and other sources such as

"UFO CRASH AT AZTEC." Wild as his story is, none of it can be directly

contradicted by the public record because there IS no public record. Cooper, on

the other hand, strongly implied that he had direct knowledge that his

information was correct, based on his memory of actually having seen government

documents. He further implied that he was getting much of his info from an

MJ-12 insider, and stated several times that his life was imperiled by passing

it on. His info was full of internal inconsistencies; some of it could be

directly contradicted by known intelligence procedures; and the inability of

Stan Friedman, who is known to be in contact with people claiming to be MJ-12

insiders, to verify Cooper's info, all these factors led to my decision.

I've worked for two and a half years to build ParaNet's credibility as a source

of paranormal information, and I saw that work crumbling under a mountain of

self-aggrandizing messages and cloak-and-dagger files, and most dangerous of

all, many people were coming to associate ParaNet EXCLUSIVELY with this sort of

activity. While we pride ourselves on having the inside story, brother, that

ain't it.

Hope this makes it clearer.

Jim