COMPUTER CONFERENCE WITH JOHN LEAR FEBRUARY 14, 1988

COMPUTER CONFERENCE WITH JOHN LEAR

FEBRUARY 14, 1988

This hard copy text provided by Foundation for UFO Research, Box 182, Tucson,

AZ 85702

[The following is a transcript of February 14, 1988 8:00 PM EST three hour

session with John Lear.  Because of the lengthy duration of the CO I have

edited the transcript to remove some of the front name appendages.  Nothing

else has been removed or added. In a few cases, obvious "Typo's" were

corrected. For those purists out there I have the original transcript,

keystroke for keystroke as it appeared on my screen and will make it available

to anyone who requests it. I will however retain it only for one month. So

after March 14, 1988 this is all you get!  Incidently, the orignal is very

tedious to wade through.  This transcript took three hours to edit. - Ted

Markley <Temp s10>]

[Note: The following list of attendee's is a compilation of those whom logged

into room 18 during the session.  Some did not speak and others lost interest

quickly.]

 User  User ID       Nod  Rm   Name / Forum Area

 ----  ------------  ---  ---  -----------------

  32                 PNX  18   Jim

  38                 CVK  18   Dale B. Wedge

  41                 TTO  18   Tom Mickus

  46                 NYY  18   Michelle & Charles

  47                 CVK  18   David Harbarger

  54                 SLO  18   Randy Pitchford

  58                 NNM  18   Mark Hochman

  71                 DNC  18   Phil

  72                 DUK  18   G-WIZ

  77                 MRT  18   Ted Markley <s10>

  88                 CGW  18   L/B

  91                 ANN  18   DBC

  95                 MRT  18   Tab

 103                 RCH  18   Brad Langton

 106                 LAS  18   John Lear

 108                 EUG  18   Charley Ramsey

 113                 BOI  18   Don

(18,Ted M, s10) Are we all about ready to get started? GA

(18,Tom Mickus) Sure

(18,Dale B. Wedge) Yessir Sysop

(18,Phil) ok

(18,John Lear) Roger

(18,Don) HELLO

(18,DBC) all set

(18,Mark Hochman) hello

(18,G-WIZ) hi all.

(18,Ted M, s10) I'm going to dump some stuff from my buffer

Before we get started, tonight's CO will be conducted formally.  When I open up

for questions please indicate your desire to speak with a "!" or "?" I will

record the order and take each in turn.

With that out of the way it is my pleasure to introduce John.

John Lear is a captain for a major US Airline.  He holds 17 world speed records

in the Lear Jet developed by his father, William P. Lear.  Mr Lear has flown

missions worldwide for the CIA and other government agencies and is a former

Nevada State Senator candidate. John became interested in the subject of UFO's

less than a year and a half ago.John is the author of the controversial

LEAR.TXT in the DL10 database.  With that, John would you like to make any

opening comments before I open up for questions? GA

(18,John Lear) Good evening to all and thanks for I talked to Budd Hopkins on

Friday.  He has just returned from an interview in Florida. A local TV station

there has a 2 minute video tape taken by a local building contractor which

shows a 25 foot circular craft flying around in his backyard.  This is in

addition to 9 or 10 photos.  Instead of releasing it immediately the station

decided to do a documentary to establish credibility of the witness (several)

and authenticity of the video and photos to preclude the usual charges of

fraud.  It will air March 3 in Pensacola and may be picked up nationally.  A

reliable source in the government UFO coverup said last week "The fit is about

to hit the shan" or words to that effect.  There was more to the Australian

incident than was in the press.

(18,Ted M, s10) Okay. John did you want to add anything else or should I open

the floor for questions? GA

(18,John Lear) GA

(18,Ted M, s10) Ok. We will now start the queue. GA

(18,Dale B. Wedge) ?

(18,DBC) ?

(18,Tom Mickus) ?

(18,Brad Langton) ?

(18,Ted M, s10) Ok Dale you're first GA

(18,Dale B. Wedge) John, we have been hearing from William Moore that he was

 going to release evidence last December, that didn't happen. Now, a respected

 person (you) come out with your text. Is this a hypothesis or do you have

 proof that you will be supplying to us? GA

(18,John Lear) I don't have iron clad proof.  All I have is a number of

documents and recorded phone calls and interviews that led up to me writing the

h [?] GA

(18,Dale B. Wedge) Ted, John is typing too long lines.GA

(18,Ted M, s10) John use a CR after about 60 characters. DBC Go

(18,John Lear) I'll get the hang of it yet. GA

(18,DBC) Ok. John, you have referred several times to a video that you have and

which you have shown to the UPI. Can you tell us what is on that video? GA

(18,John Lear) One  is the CNN Bentwaters incident produced by CNN with Chuck

Dicaro reporting.  It's the one with Larry Warren in it Two is the HBO

documentary of 1975. The Third is "Strange Harvest" prodcued by Linda Moulton

Howe for the CBS affilitate in Denver Fourth is "UFOS: It Has Begun" produced

by Sandler films. This is the video that was made in 1973 that was going to

show the acutal footage of the first landing of UFOs at Holloman AFB in New

Mexico.  But due to Watergate the end was changed and drawings were used to

substitute for the actual photos. In the narration Serling says,  "Suppose a

landing is made, or maybe has already been made at Holloman AFB...."  The fifth

is "UFOs are Real" produced by Brandon Chase. Sixth is the Japanese moon photos

taken by an amateur Japanese astronomer with a 16 inch telescope of some

circular shadows racing across the surface of the moon.  Seventh is the Tacoma

incident of a vehicle 500 ft in diameter passing by at 1700 mph and the last

is the Orange County incident which is some footage of a 5 ft diameter saucer

flying around in someone's back yard. This one is not very good...GA

(18,Ted M, s10) Is that the video you were refering to DBC? GA

(18,Dale B. Wedge) ?

(18,DON) ?

(18,DBC) I guess so. I have one other question if I could. You refer to an

altercation at Dulce NM. If this in fact occurred in 1979 as you say and 66

members of a special military unit were killed, there must be some public

information on the "strange disappearance" of these men. If you could simply

throw out a lead or two to pick up on this, it might  significantly open up the

story. GA

(18,John Lear) Not necessarily. We have several teams which do this kind of

ork. Its very easy for these type of men to disappear.  They are chosen

specifically without family (I know I have been interviewed for the same type

of deal and turned down because I have a family)  Also, remember at this time

we were trying to get the hostages back and any disappearance could be covered

by saying they were involved in that mission.  It would be impossible knowing

what I know to get a line on any of these guys. The only guy I know that would

know is the guy that wrote the Dulce papers and he is not talking. GA

(18,Ted M, s10) Tom M you're next GA

(18,Tom Mickus) John, concerning the Reykavik meeting between Reagan and

Gorbachev. Can you elaborate on what you meant by Gorbachev "caving In". And,

was the meeting called primarily due to this  since it was hastily called,

also,what is your source for this inside info. And in regards to SDI, do they

plan to use this in space (many years off...), or are they looking to use

technology spinoffs? GA

(18,John Lear) My "usually reliable source" said that the meeting was called

 specifcally for the alien question. Reagan told Gorby that we were unable to

 contain the EBE's and that we needed SDI for help. SDI needed lots of bucks so

 we needed Gorby to quit his opposition. So that we got get the bucks we

 needed.  SDI is only an attempt to repel the EBE's. Be aware that when the

 Russians came to Las Vegas 2 weeks ago that the meeting was allegedly to

 discuss underground monitoring.  During the first meeting the press was  told

 that there had been a change in plans and that no statement  would be made for

 a week.  Also, through excellent sources here I was told that the scientists

 and engineers involved in the technological aspects of the monitoring and the

 ones supposed to meet with the Russians were told that there would be no

 meeting.  The Russians were bussed each day to a place unknown to anybody.  It

 is not known what they discussed. SPECULATION: I speculate that we discussed

 plans for containing the EBE's.GA

(18,Tom Mickus) ?

(18,Ted M, s10)  Ok Brad you're Up GA

(18,Brad) Thank you Ted. John, not to get too far off the target but have you

ever heard of anything called Alternative 003? GA.

(18,John Lear) Yes GA

(18,Ted M, s10) Continue Brad GA

(18,Brad) Is there any possible connection between these events and that

hypothesis? GA

(18,Ted M, s10) John L . ? John are oyu still there? GA

(18,Brad) Anyone else heard of Alternative 003? GA

(18,DBC) No, what is it?

(18,Don) No, GA

(18,Dale B. Wedge) John is not listed.

(18,Brad) <must have struck a nerve>

(18,Dale B. Wedge) He must of got dumped.

(18,Ted M, s10) John must have been knocked off ...

(18,Tom Mickus) Heart attack?

(18,DBC) Taken away?

(18,Ted M, s10)  Abducted?

(18,Brad) Its difficult to summarize here but the gist of it is a joint US/USSR

project to  re-establish a new human colony in space  due to an approaching

ecological disaster. GA

(18,John Lear) I got knocked off. What was Brad's questions?

(18,Ted M, s10)  Welcome back John GA

(18,Dale B. Wedge) ?

(18,John Lear) Thanks I got knocked off somehow .Go ahead with questions. GA

(18,Brad) John, did you receive my question? ga

(18,John Lear) No Brad, Go ahead. GA

(18,Ted M, s10)  Try again brad Ga

(18,Brad) Is there a possible connection between your data and Alternative 003?

GA

(18,John Lear) Only that they are both far out, the difference being that mine

was true and ALT 3 was just a story.GA