SPEECH FOR OSSETTE CONFERENCE SEPTEMBER, 1989.
SPEECH FOR OSSETTE CONFERENCE SEPTEMBER, 1989.
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Start speech with the quotes from the MOD re UFO not coming under the
Official Secrets Act. Then quote the American document. (Slide 1)
The fact that we are such close allies. Also if UFO don't come under
the Official Secrets Act why is it that so many are retained under the
30 year rule.
I am Tony Dodd and my friend is Dr. Henry Azadehdel. Both Dr. Henry
and myself were originally geared to speak about our own particular
experiences in the UFO field, but due to information which came to us
several weeks ago in relation to an alleged crashed UFO in South
Africa, we have spent a considerable amount of time engaged in an in
depth investigation into the information received.
Due to the complex nature of the investigation both Dr. Henry and
myself will take turns to speak and will hopefully give you a picture
of the sequence of events as they occurred.
You will be shown slides of certain documents which were passed to us
and also of the person who passed the information. Unfortunately it
has been necessary to blank out certain names and places but this has
been done to protect the identity of our informant who is no longer in
this country. He stated that he is a South African Air Force
Intelligence Officer and would be charged with Treason in his own
country should his identity be revealed. I have been corresponding
with this man for a long time but was not aware of his Intelligence
Connections until the last few weeks.
At this stage I would point out as stated previously, that certain
omissions have been made in the talk we are about to give. It is of
the utmost importance that our sources of information are totally
protected for their own safety.
By protecting informants in this way we hope that other Intelligence
sources will come forward and eventually the full picture of what is
going on will emerge.
If when we have finished giving details of this incident there is time
we will be happy to answer questions but we reserve the right not to
answer if we feel that our continuing enquiries or source of
information would be compromised.
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During the first week in July I received correspondence from Mr.
which stated that a UFO had crashed in the Kalahari Desert and ha
been recovered by a team of South African Military personnel to
secret Air Force base. He also informed me that two live alien
entities had been found in the craft. The information also stated that
a group of American Military personnel had arrived and had taken over
the investigation. He stated that he would forward a copy of the
Official South African Top Secret document to me but would send i
later in a letter which would not contain any details of the sender in
case the letter was intercepted. (Slide 2)
A week later I received the document which consisted of five pages and
was headed with the South African Air Force crest. Every page of the
document was marked Top Secret. (Slide 3)
The story told by the document was as follows:
(Slide 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.
At 1.45 pm on the 7th. May 1989 a Naval Frigate of the South African
navy was at sea when it contacted Naval Headquarters to report an
unidentified flying object on their radar scope, heading towards the
South African continent in a North Westerly direction at a calculated
speed of 5746 nautical miles per hour. This message was acknowledged
and confirmed that the object was also being tracked by airborne radar
and military ground radar installations.
The object entered South African air space at 1.52 PM and at this time
radio contact was attempted but to no avail. As a result two Mirage
jet fighters were scrambled on an intercept course.
At 1.59pm. Squadron leader ------- the pilot of one of the Mirage
fighters stated over the intercom that they had radar and visual
confirmation of the craft. The order was given to arm and fire the
Thor 2 experimental laser canon. This was done.
(Thor 2 is a Top Secret experimental beam weapon)
The Squadron Leader reported several blinding flashes emanating from
the object which had started wavering and it started to decrease speed
and altitude at the rate of 3000 feet per minute. It eventually
crashed at a 25 degree angle into the dessert in Botswana
A recovery team was dispatched to the crash site where it was found
that the UFO was embedded in the side of a large crater in the sand.
The sand in the vicinity of the object was fused together due to the
intense heat. One telescopic leg protruded from the side of the craft
as if caused by the impact.
Large recovery helicopters were flown to the site and the first one
reaching the scene overflew the object at a height of 500 feet and
immediately stalled and crashed. Five crew members were killed. It was
found that vehicles approaching the object also developed engine
trouble due to an intense electro magnetic field coming from the
object.
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Eventually a paint like compound was received at the site and painted
on the object which appeared to neutralize the magnetic field.
The object was eventually conveyed to an Air Force Base and was taken
to the sixth level underground. At this time it was totally intact.
Whilst this was going on the American Team from Wright Patterson AFB
arrived.
Whilst the recovery team and scientists were mulling over the object
their attention was suddenly attracted to a noise from the side of the
craft. They noticed that an opening had appeared in the side. It was
doorway but had only opened to a small gap. Attempts were made to open
the door but without success so hydraulic pressure gear was used to
force the door open.
As soon as the door opened two small alien entities staggered out an
were immediately arrested by security personnel present. A makeshift
medical holding area was set up. One of the entities appeared to be
seriously injured but doctors withdrew when one of them was attacked
by one of the aliens. The attacked doctor received severe deep
scratches to the face and chest from the claws of the alien. (Slide 8)
Arrangements were made for the UFO and the aliens to be transported to
Wright Patterson AFB, Dayton Ohio; USA
As a result of this information a person who will remain unnamed
telephoned the South African AFB where the Mirage Fighters had been
scrambled. This man was a Private Investigator in America for many
years and therefore well versed in speaking American. He asked to be
connected to Squadron Leader XXXXXXXXXX the conversation went as
follows:
Is that Squadron Leader XXXXXXXXXXXXX
REPLY Yes.
QUESTION. This is General Brunel speaking from Wright Patterson.
I have the document in front of me code named XXXXXXX
REPLY. Yes.
QUESTION. I am confused, this document does not say how many times
you fired at the object.
REPLY. Who did you say you were sir
QUESTION. General Brunel, surely Squadron Leader it's a straight
forward question, how many times did you fire at the darn thing.
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REPLY. I fired once sir, could you hang on so that I can go to
safe phone.
QUESTION. That won't be necessary Squadron Leader, you have told m
what I wanted to know goodbye.
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In the meantime military personnel were contacted in America to try to
find out what was happening at Wright Pattterson AFB.
REPLY. Can't get any information about arrival of UFO but
established that Wright Patterson was put on Red Alert on 23rd. June,
1989. (This is the day the UFO was proported to be shipped to Wright
Patterson.)
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On July 31st. this year our informant arrived in this country and by
prior arrangement took up temporary residence with Dr. Henry. He
informed us that he was on route to Wright Patterson AFB on a military
mission and would depart on the 6th. August. He contacted the South
African Embassy from Dr. Henry's home to let them know where he was
staying in case they needed to contact him. He later made a sworn
statement to us confirming his story. (Slide 9)
He had photographs taken with us (Slide 10. 11. 12.)
We were informed that various hieroglyphics were found inside the craft
and stated that the military had been unable to decipher them. (Slide
15) Dr. Will talk about this.
He also did a drawing of the interior of the craft and the general
layout.
He also showed us and permitted us to photograph two NASA passes which
were for his use at Wright Patterson AFB
At this time we made contact with a second intelligence officer in
South Africa who spoke to Dr. Henry personally. This officer told us
that he had seen and had access to a series of black and white
photographs of the captured aliens and their craft and a 50 page telex
message from Wright Patterson AFB relating to the recovery of the UFO
He stressed how dangerous it would be to get the papers but stated
that he would forward a set of the black and white photographs and
a copy of the telex as soon as he was able.
One of the named American personnel who was present at the retrieval
was later spoken to at Wright Patterson AFB by Dr Henry at the OSI
department. (Henry Will speak about this)
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Within 24 hours our informant staying with Dr. Henry received a
telephone call from the head of South African Intelligence informing
him that the mission was cancelled and telling him to report back to
Military Headquarters Pretoria forthwith where he would face a Court
Martial.
I will now hand over to Dr. Henry who will tell you of the series of
events which took place at his home and of the various telephone calls
which were made and received in the next few days.
I NOW HAND OVER TO DR HENRY WHO WILL TELL YOU OF TELEPHONE
CONVERSATIONS MADE BOTH TO AND FROM HIS HOME BY INTELLIGENCE SOURCE
CONNECTED WITH OUR INFORMANT. INCLUDING A CONVERSATION WITH AN
INTELLIGENCE OFFICER IN SOUTH AFRICA WORKING IN THE TOP SECRET
DOCUMENTS AREA.
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S O U T H A F R I C A N
A I R F O R C E
THIS FILE HAS BEEN CLASSIFIED BY D.A.F.I.
INFORMATION NOT TO BE DIVULGED - TOP SECRET
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This page has a star and the bird crest at the top
The page appears to be a cover/abstract page
A PCX file (graphic) of this page is available in the UFONET I
file library. Hopefully a GIF version of the file will be available
shortly.
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The transcript of my telephone Conversation with the Chief of
Military Intelligence in South Africa, Aug. 1989
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Henry: H
General: X
H: Mr. X
X: Yah.
H: Hello, I am calling from Hawaii
X: Yes...
H: I would like to ask you about this UFO crash in Kalahari.
X: You what?
H: A UFO crash in Kalahari dessert. (Talking rather loud)
X: I can't hear you very well, just say it again.
H: A UFO crash in Kalahari desert, May 1989.
X: May 89 ( Thinking about my above comments).
B: Yes.
X: Who is speaking?
H: This is Jonnathan speaking from Hawaii.
X: What is your surname?
H: Jonnathan Smith.
X: (He repeats my name, giving the impression of writing it down)'O.K., so
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO KNOW?
H: I want to know where did it go eventually?
X: I can't hear you.
H: Where did it go eventually? Did it go to Wright Paterson, or you kept it in
South Africa after it crashed.
X: WHY DO YOU WANT TO KNOW?
H: Well. I've been investigating UFOS for 20 yoars.
X: I think you...you are talking to wrong person, whore did you get my number?
H: Well, we have contacts to get numbers everywhere.
X: I CAN NOT GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION: I'VE NOT GOT IT.
H: It crashed in May 89, and was shippad to Wright Paterson in June, am I
correct
X: (stammering) No....n....no, I am not sure, I don't thinkyou have got the
RIGHT information, whera did you get that?
H: Well, information comes to us from all over thr world.
X: What kind of crash was it? (Remember I had alraady told him)
H: It was an Unidentified Flying Object.
X: In the Kalahari?
H: Yes.
X: 19...?
H: 1989, Botswanna.
X: Ah...Ah..h..., No, I haven't got that information. I think perhaps
it is a rumour.
H: I think I would be very much surprised if it was a rumour.
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X: (Now trying to meddle the subject) So, What are you saying? You are
sitting in Hawaii and you got that information. Where did you get that??
H: As I said, we are operating a UFO network.
X: Well...Ah...well, I can not give you ANY FURTHER INFORMATION, I do
not know anything about it.
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*** 3 Pages of Material follow ***
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*** handwriting on the pages ***
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These 3 pages consist of a transcript of the telephone
conversation between Dr. Henry Azadehdel and Mr. L at Wright
Patterson September 15,1989.
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Start speech with the quotes from the MOD re UFO not coming under the
Official Secrets Act. Then quote the American document. (Slide 1)
The fact that we are such close allies. Also if UFO don't come under
the Official Secrets Act why is it that so many are retained under the
30 year rule.
I am Tony Dodd and my friend is Dr. Henry Azadehdel. Both Dr. Henry
and myself were originally geared to speak about our own particular
experiences in the UFO field, but due to information which came to us
several weeks ago in relation to an alleged crashed UFO in South
Africa, we have spent a considerable amount of time engaged in an in
depth investigation into the information received.
Due to the complex nature of the investigation both Dr. Henry and
myself will take turns to speak and will hopefully give you a picture
of the sequence of events as they occurred.
You will be shown slides of certain documents which were passed to us
and also of the person who passed the information. Unfortunately it
has been necessary to blank out certain names and places but this has
been done to protect the identity of our informant who is no longer in
this country. He stated that he is a South African Air Force
Intelligence Officer and would be charged with Treason in his own
country should his identity be revealed. I have been corresponding
with this man for a long time but was not aware of his Intelligence
Connections until the last few weeks.
At this stage I would point out as stated previously, that certain
omissions have been made in the talk we are about to give. It is of
the utmost importance that our sources of information are totally
protected for their own safety.
By protecting informants in this way we hope that other Intelligence
sources will come forward and eventually the full picture of what is
going on will emerge.
If when we have finished giving details of this incident there is time
we will be happy to answer questions but we reserve the right not to
answer if we feel that our continuing enquiries or source of
information would be compromised.
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During the first week in July I received correspondence from Mr.
which stated that a UFO had crashed in the Kalahari Desert and ha
been recovered by a team of South African Military personnel to
secret Air Force base. He also informed me that two live alien
entities had been found in the craft. The information also stated that
a group of American Military personnel had arrived and had taken over
the investigation. He stated that he would forward a copy of the
Official South African Top Secret document to me but would send i
later in a letter which would not contain any details of the sender in
case the letter was intercepted. (Slide 2)
A week later I received the document which consisted of five pages and
was headed with the South African Air Force crest. Every page of the
document was marked Top Secret. (Slide 3)
The story told by the document was as follows:
(Slide 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.
At 1.45 pm on the 7th. May 1989 a Naval Frigate of the South African
navy was at sea when it contacted Naval Headquarters to report an
unidentified flying object on their radar scope, heading towards the
South African continent in a North Westerly direction at a calculated
speed of 5746 nautical miles per hour. This message was acknowledged
and confirmed that the object was also being tracked by airborne radar
and military ground radar installations.
The object entered South African air space at 1.52 PM and at this time
radio contact was attempted but to no avail. As a result two Mirage
jet fighters were scrambled on an intercept course.
At 1.59pm. Squadron leader ------- the pilot of one of the Mirage
fighters stated over the intercom that they had radar and visual
confirmation of the craft. The order was given to arm and fire the
Thor 2 experimental laser canon. This was done.
(Thor 2 is a Top Secret experimental beam weapon)
The Squadron Leader reported several blinding flashes emanating from
the object which had started wavering and it started to decrease speed
and altitude at the rate of 3000 feet per minute. It eventually
crashed at a 25 degree angle into the dessert in Botswana
A recovery team was dispatched to the crash site where it was found
that the UFO was embedded in the side of a large crater in the sand.
The sand in the vicinity of the object was fused together due to the
intense heat. One telescopic leg protruded from the side of the craft
as if caused by the impact.
Large recovery helicopters were flown to the site and the first one
reaching the scene overflew the object at a height of 500 feet and
immediately stalled and crashed. Five crew members were killed. It was
found that vehicles approaching the object also developed engine
trouble due to an intense electro magnetic field coming from the
object.
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Eventually a paint like compound was received at the site and painted
on the object which appeared to neutralize the magnetic field.
The object was eventually conveyed to an Air Force Base and was taken
to the sixth level underground. At this time it was totally intact.
Whilst this was going on the American Team from Wright Patterson AFB
arrived.
Whilst the recovery team and scientists were mulling over the object
their attention was suddenly attracted to a noise from the side of the
craft. They noticed that an opening had appeared in the side. It was
doorway but had only opened to a small gap. Attempts were made to open
the door but without success so hydraulic pressure gear was used to
force the door open.
As soon as the door opened two small alien entities staggered out an
were immediately arrested by security personnel present. A makeshift
medical holding area was set up. One of the entities appeared to be
seriously injured but doctors withdrew when one of them was attacked
by one of the aliens. The attacked doctor received severe deep
scratches to the face and chest from the claws of the alien. (Slide 8)
Arrangements were made for the UFO and the aliens to be transported to
Wright Patterson AFB, Dayton Ohio; USA
As a result of this information a person who will remain unnamed
telephoned the South African AFB where the Mirage Fighters had been
scrambled. This man was a Private Investigator in America for many
years and therefore well versed in speaking American. He asked to be
connected to Squadron Leader XXXXXXXXXX the conversation went as
follows:
Is that Squadron Leader XXXXXXXXXXXXX
REPLY Yes.
QUESTION. This is General Brunel speaking from Wright Patterson.
I have the document in front of me code named XXXXXXX
REPLY. Yes.
QUESTION. I am confused, this document does not say how many times
you fired at the object.
REPLY. Who did you say you were sir
QUESTION. General Brunel, surely Squadron Leader it's a straight
forward question, how many times did you fire at the darn thing.
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REPLY. I fired once sir, could you hang on so that I can go to
safe phone.
QUESTION. That won't be necessary Squadron Leader, you have told m
what I wanted to know goodbye.
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In the meantime military personnel were contacted in America to try to
find out what was happening at Wright Pattterson AFB.
REPLY. Can't get any information about arrival of UFO but
established that Wright Patterson was put on Red Alert on 23rd. June,
1989. (This is the day the UFO was proported to be shipped to Wright
Patterson.)
------------------------------------------------------------------
On July 31st. this year our informant arrived in this country and by
prior arrangement took up temporary residence with Dr. Henry. He
informed us that he was on route to Wright Patterson AFB on a military
mission and would depart on the 6th. August. He contacted the South
African Embassy from Dr. Henry's home to let them know where he was
staying in case they needed to contact him. He later made a sworn
statement to us confirming his story. (Slide 9)
He had photographs taken with us (Slide 10. 11. 12.)
We were informed that various hieroglyphics were found inside the craft
and stated that the military had been unable to decipher them. (Slide
15) Dr. Will talk about this.
He also did a drawing of the interior of the craft and the general
layout.
He also showed us and permitted us to photograph two NASA passes which
were for his use at Wright Patterson AFB
At this time we made contact with a second intelligence officer in
South Africa who spoke to Dr. Henry personally. This officer told us
that he had seen and had access to a series of black and white
photographs of the captured aliens and their craft and a 50 page telex
message from Wright Patterson AFB relating to the recovery of the UFO
He stressed how dangerous it would be to get the papers but stated
that he would forward a set of the black and white photographs and
a copy of the telex as soon as he was able.
One of the named American personnel who was present at the retrieval
was later spoken to at Wright Patterson AFB by Dr Henry at the OSI
department. (Henry Will speak about this)
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Within 24 hours our informant staying with Dr. Henry received a
telephone call from the head of South African Intelligence informing
him that the mission was cancelled and telling him to report back to
Military Headquarters Pretoria forthwith where he would face a Court
Martial.
I will now hand over to Dr. Henry who will tell you of the series of
events which took place at his home and of the various telephone calls
which were made and received in the next few days.
I NOW HAND OVER TO DR HENRY WHO WILL TELL YOU OF TELEPHONE
CONVERSATIONS MADE BOTH TO AND FROM HIS HOME BY INTELLIGENCE SOURCE
CONNECTED WITH OUR INFORMANT. INCLUDING A CONVERSATION WITH AN
INTELLIGENCE OFFICER IN SOUTH AFRICA WORKING IN THE TOP SECRET
DOCUMENTS AREA.
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| picture of |
| winged bird |
| crest |
|______________|
S O U T H A F R I C A N
A I R F O R C E
THIS FILE HAS BEEN CLASSIFIED BY D.A.F.I.
INFORMATION NOT TO BE DIVULGED - TOP SECRET
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This page has a star and the bird crest at the top
The page appears to be a cover/abstract page
A PCX file (graphic) of this page is available in the UFONET I
file library. Hopefully a GIF version of the file will be available
shortly.
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*** 14 Pages of Material follow ***
*** but we are unable to convert ***
*** via OCR due to inter mixed ***
*** handwriting on the pages ***
*** ***
************************************
The transcript of my telephone Conversation with the Chief of
Military Intelligence in South Africa, Aug. 1989
-------------------------------------------------------------
Henry: H
General: X
H: Mr. X
X: Yah.
H: Hello, I am calling from Hawaii
X: Yes...
H: I would like to ask you about this UFO crash in Kalahari.
X: You what?
H: A UFO crash in Kalahari dessert. (Talking rather loud)
X: I can't hear you very well, just say it again.
H: A UFO crash in Kalahari desert, May 1989.
X: May 89 ( Thinking about my above comments).
B: Yes.
X: Who is speaking?
H: This is Jonnathan speaking from Hawaii.
X: What is your surname?
H: Jonnathan Smith.
X: (He repeats my name, giving the impression of writing it down)'O.K., so
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO KNOW?
H: I want to know where did it go eventually?
X: I can't hear you.
H: Where did it go eventually? Did it go to Wright Paterson, or you kept it in
South Africa after it crashed.
X: WHY DO YOU WANT TO KNOW?
H: Well. I've been investigating UFOS for 20 yoars.
X: I think you...you are talking to wrong person, whore did you get my number?
H: Well, we have contacts to get numbers everywhere.
X: I CAN NOT GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION: I'VE NOT GOT IT.
H: It crashed in May 89, and was shippad to Wright Paterson in June, am I
correct
X: (stammering) No....n....no, I am not sure, I don't thinkyou have got the
RIGHT information, whera did you get that?
H: Well, information comes to us from all over thr world.
X: What kind of crash was it? (Remember I had alraady told him)
H: It was an Unidentified Flying Object.
X: In the Kalahari?
H: Yes.
X: 19...?
H: 1989, Botswanna.
X: Ah...Ah..h..., No, I haven't got that information. I think perhaps
it is a rumour.
H: I think I would be very much surprised if it was a rumour.
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X: (Now trying to meddle the subject) So, What are you saying? You are
sitting in Hawaii and you got that information. Where did you get that??
H: As I said, we are operating a UFO network.
X: Well...Ah...well, I can not give you ANY FURTHER INFORMATION, I do
not know anything about it.
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*** 3 Pages of Material follow ***
*** but we are unable to convert ***
*** via OCR due to inter mixed ***
*** handwriting on the pages ***
*** ***
************************************
These 3 pages consist of a transcript of the telephone
conversation between Dr. Henry Azadehdel and Mr. L at Wright
Patterson September 15,1989.
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